Some ongoing discussions – an update

How very very odd. You’ll find a link to an ongoing discussion on the mumsnet forum in this previous blog post. The thread has seen several posts to it deleted. So far as I can see the deleted threads don’t slander/libel, defame or cause undue offense. One of them points out that other threads carrying opinion critical of Steiner/Anthroposophy have seen similar deletions or even the entire thread or threads being deleted.

In another recently started mumsnet thread covering Steiner issues a poster considered that the posts deleted from the mega-thread – the 1000 post thread – had been deleted because mumsnet deemed them possibly libellous.

The deleted posts can be found below. They’re out of context of course but there aren’t very many to wade through so do have a peek. I think it’s a more or less complete record; only one post cannot as yet be retrieved and I’ll post that up as and when it comes to hand. You’ll notice that most of the deleted posts contain links to websites or blogs carrying opinion critical of Steiner/Anthroposophy. The first one, below, points to websites too but maybe the ‘possibly’ libellous content in it could be mention of either the Ladybird books or the Oxford Reading Tree? I really don’t know what the story is here but if any of you can show to me that any of the deleted posts are libellous then let me know and I’ll remove them from the blog.

Just for the record, here’s the now deleted posts from the original mumsnet mega- thread:

Mumsnet thread Steiner Waldorf spring 2009

Messages that have been deleted by MN staff between April 23 and April 28

TheRationalist Tue 10-Mar-09 15:17:11:

>>Disenchantedgnomie, you are not alone [smile]

With regard to reading I would recommend the rather lovely and old fashioned ladybird books, (Peter and Jane), they are very gentle, dc2 who was really struggling with the awful Oxford Reading Tree loves them.

there are many websites that can help you and your daughter:

Plans (US) [link www.waldorfcritics.org]

Easeonline (UK) [www.easonline.org]

Chase (UK) [www.chaseuk.info]

waldorf problems [www.waldorf-problems.com]<<

TheRationalist Tue 10-Mar-09 15:29:10:

>>AMuminScotland, yes the very act of trying to silence a parents forum is incredible unless they have something to hide.

If anyone is wondering where TheBee is…

luckymummy [http://luckymummy.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/interesting-post-on-green-parent-forumfood-for-thought]

Strangely the thread the blogger originally refers to has been deleted, along with threads at wikipedia, mothering.com, TES and the BBC. <<

Northernrefugee39 Wed 18-Mar-09 08:31:58:

>>Captain- [grin]- Love it…

Anyone with any doubts about anthroposophy’s role in steiner education, this blog post from a few days ago is

Steiner education = Anthroposophical education, official

[link: http://ukanthroposophy.blog/]<<

SENSESofTOUCH Fri 20-mar-09 20:18:18:

>>My daughter has just left a Steiner School. My son had a fantastic experience there, but my daughter’s ended in disaster really, with serious failings in the protection of a child (not mine). And if you attempt to criticise them, or even try and dicuss concerns the school turn on you.

At the same time as we left, another family left as they felt there daughter was being bullied by the kg teacher. When they took this to the trustee’s, they feel they were bullied further, as the trustees attempted to make any idea of bullying appear as the parent’s lack of understanding of the Steiner method.

Since all this I have discovered ‘Waldorf Critics’ aka PLANS. A very interesting site to google if you want more info. Lots of stories that are vey similar to mine. And interesting facts about Rudolph Steiner’s racist, narrow minded, views, that actually explain a lot of what gpes on in Steiner Schools…somewhat worrying.

And this [http://waldorf-problems.com/] site is a collection of essays written about Steiner, after the authors own rather hellish experiences. The ‘not really human girl’ part, really makes me shudder!

This is not to say there are not many things in Steiner ed that I think are a better approach than mainstream ^for some children^. <<

Dilemma456 Sun 22-Mar-09 13:55:25:

>>I was wondering about the obession with gnomes in this thread

[http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1213]<<

Barking Sun 22-Mar-09 20:34:59:

>>ra29needsabettername, you will not get much sense out of Isenhart as she is a defender of the faith. You will find her on the old Steiner threads last year, I think there were about 4000+ posts in the end.

She usually speaks in riddles but I suspect she is being advised offline by Sune Nordwall (Thebee, who was banned on here) and Jeremy Smith, the communications officer for the Steiner Waldorf Schools Fellowship (probably too terrified of posting) to try and inhabit the talking style of the other mothers and try to appear normal….

Here is a rough guide to antho babble which is why the LEA isn’t aware. Yet.

Doublespeak [http://www.users.on.net/~tomandmarilyn/steiner/html/doublespeak.htm]<<

Wilderduck April 10, 20:50:45 [message deleted prior to April 23]

(can’t find the original post as yet, will have to check my backup discs, Mike Collins)

Update May4th 2009

I have no record of the missing deleted post. However, in a previous and similar scenario of deleted Steiner related discussions and posts a mumsnet administrator explained mumsnet‘s actions. I quote the explanation in full as a comment to this post and will leave it at that; no need to get bogged down in this, most of the deleted posts are here for the record and as stated will be removed if they can be shown to be libellous.